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Group 13 Zipes

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Each group will give a 10-15 minute presentation on one of the assigned critical readings. The presentation should:

  1. Identify the thesis and central claims in the article/chapter. 
  2. Give an example of the way the author supports these claims.
  3. Evaluate the argument. Is it strong? Does it use strong evidence? How does it relate with other scholarship we have read in this class?
  4. Post the material for the presentation on the class wiki.
  5. Sign up for group BELOW by putting name and WSU email on group page. Limit: 3 people per group. 



Repulsive Frog.ppt



What Makes a Repulsive Frog So Appealing?
By: Jack Zipes 

Presentation by:

Katrina Markowicz, Aurora Stoica, and Lauren O’Neill 



It is important to explore why tales from oral tradition have been transformed throughout the years and why they stick with us as memes.

  — Accomplish this using theories from the various sciences, such as social sciences, evolutionary psychology, and cultural anthropology.

Meme: “Cultural artifact that acts as a cultural replicator or cultural adaptor that manages to inhabit our brains (essentially becomes memorable).”


Claim #1
Tales Stick Around

Tales stick around because they are revealing of certain aspects of both our social lives and human behavior; this makes them memetic.

     Almost everyone knows the story of the Frog King even if they don’t know how it has transformed into a literary version, but the story sticks with us and the appeal transforms it into different avenues.

     Particularly, “The Frog Prince”, gives insight into mating and courting behaviors that can be traced back hundreds to thousands of years.


Claim #2
Memorable Memes

The versions of the “Frog King” by the Grimm Brothers are “artistically shaped, prepared, and stabilized” to make it so memorable that we, as a culture, talk about it and pass it on to others.

This version is memetic according to Zipes because it is relevant to culture and provides information important in demonstrating how to act in society, specifically “sexual selection, reproduction, and evolution as culture.” (Zipes, 111)


Claim #3
Iron Heinrich Importance

 The tale “The Frog Prince; or Iron Heinrich” provides an example of how tales can be revealing of human nature. It provides important information on the process of mate selection, reproduction, and in general, the evolution of culture.


Claim #4
Science/Natural Science Theories

The propagation of a meme within society can largely be compared to the propagation of particular genes within a population.

Theories about the brain and evolutionary psychology help explain how fairy tale memes change.



Humanities and natural sciences help explain how culture evolves and how folk and fairy tales support this cultural evolution.

      -Wilson and Sperber


Claim #5
Shift in Fairytale Tradition

Fairytales will only be viewed as a meme if it is preserved and replicated using a socio-historical lens to incorporate the purpose of the relevant topic (sexual selection)

      -The Grimm’s “The Frog Prince” is guaranteed to be preserved and replicated because:

1)The 1857 version (the most told/well known version) is not forgotten because of retellings.

2)Variations of the story are generated in terms of specific cultural discourses to communicate information of alterations of the original message.

  The kiss replaces the wall slam and sleeping in the same bed in some versions.

    -Major shift in “Frog Prince” tradition

    -Implies changing viewpoint in mate selection

    -Feminist movement of 1960s – Self Help books contributes to this

Children/early teens’ books: sexual elements in a comical fashion or eliminated; questions mating rules.

    -Jackie Mims Hopkins’ The Horned Toad Prince (2000): Prince leaves, beauty isn’t enough to stay

Novels for young readers: show a gender switch; focus is less on mating; more on finding one’s own identity (both still present)

    -E. D. Baker’s The Frog Princess (2002): self-reflection à mate selection

Adult literature: focus on mating process, false promises, and marriage.

  -Nancy Springer’s Fair Peril (1996): illusion; stand on her own feet

Zipes concludes that all of these variations contribute to the “Frog Prince’s” ability to continue to be a meme playing a role in mating norms.


Other Scholarship


Purposeful deviations in story that destroys message

Zipes: culture causes the deviation to fit norms


Gender roles change with time à cultural shift of tale

Zipes’ argument is similar, but focuses on mate selection changes


Fairy tales undergo changes and adaptations because of cultural changes

Zipes would agree, but adds that adaption occurs because of the memetic ability of the tale



Strong argument? Yes.

-Uses examples from various other scholars and professionals

Haig, Sforza, Dawkins, Wilson and Sperber

-Applies theories from various disciplines such as science, the social sciences, evolutionary psychology, and cultural anthropology

-Uses many examples of adaptations of the Frog Prince to demonstrate his thesis

  -helps solidify the idea that tales become altered and adapted

  -Shows how fairytales stay relevant to current society



The memetic significance of a fairy tale has been integrated into society and passed down through tradition so much that it is seen through mass communication avenues. This becomes even more integrated into society that it is transformed throughout history to change the oral tradition that people believe originated with their ancestors.




Comments (3)

Aurora Stoica said

at 10:44 pm on Jan 10, 2014

Aurora Stoica, eh5286@wayne.edu

Katrina Markowicz said

at 10:29 pm on Jan 12, 2014

Katrina Markowicz

Lauren O'Neill said

at 10:38 pm on Jan 13, 2014

Lauren O'Neill

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